Question:
Marine Crusder 454 XL engines - I would like to beef up my HP slightly.?
Bobby G
2011-11-22 10:19:56 UTC
I have a pair of Marine Crusader 454 XL with Edelbrock 1410's just replaced. I am thinking about updating the ignition system. What makes sense? Should I go with MSD 6M2 L or should I just update the distributer with an integral discharge system. Are the high power MSD worth the investment on this engine. Gas is expensive on a boat. A minor improvement at 2800 RPMS will have a huge impact on my fuel bills.
Seven answers:
Richard C
2011-11-22 11:54:27 UTC
You'll get more bang for the buck with turbo-charging than tinkering with the ignition system.



The boat I'm on now was re-powered in 2004/5 with Marine Power5.7L MPI engines, rated at 300HP each. They are 20 to 25% more fuel efficient than the old 454's/Carb. engines.



if I had to pay for that re-power job, I'm not sure it would be worth the price. I seldom run at speed anymore, it could cost me $210 to $340 an hour. So, I putt-putt around the inter Harbor at idle speeds.
Cliff
2011-11-22 19:41:12 UTC
before doing anything, what drive system do you have and how much power can it reliably handle is a very IMPORTANT question you should be asking yourself.



and with a boat, changing the prop is sometimes the best way to change the performance.

but if you do add HP, you MUST change the prop too. otherwise you risk overreving and damaging the motor.



the bigger a prop is (diameter and/or pitch) the more power it takes to spin it at high speeds. your stock motor can hit a certain max rpms with the current prop and no more, add power and you can start turning that prop a bit faster and overrev the motor.



if your current prop isnt the right one, it can be costing you fuel. too little pitch and your running high rpms but barely moving.

too much pitch and you cant get into the peak powerband where the motor runs at its most effecient, you might still have the speed, or you might not. a smaller prop would reach higher rpms and still push you forward just as fast with those higher rpms (imagine a fish tank filled with jello with a prop in it. that prop has a pitch of 15", one full revolution moves it forward 15". a 17" pitch prop goes 17". but spin that 15" just a few rpm faster then the 17" and both move the same distance in the same time).







1st, figure out what kind of power your drive can handle.

then, consider if a prop will get you enough change to make you happy.



if you dont think it will, a small increase in power plus a small increase in prop will definelty be noticeable.

i'd suggest the small and simple things. a set of roller rocker arms in your valve train with a slight increase in valve lift ratio. you'll reduce the friction in your valve train, power robbing friction, and reccover a little lost hp there, and the increased opening of your valves will help let more air in and out of the cylinder for another little increase.



you really dont want much more power. its not gonna help your fuel economy and its gonna increase the likelyhood of breakdowns.







BTW, if you really want to increase your fuel economy, get a boat that doesnt have a 454 big block motor in it.

with the added weight, most of the big block boats are NOT any faster then the small block boats.

same is true of the small block v8's compared the 4.3 v6. get fuel injection on that v6 and it gives you all the poower you'll need to move the boats that motor comes in while burning much less gas.



and if you really want a big increase in fuel effeciency without sacraficing much speed, go with an alum hull. alum is much lighter then fiberglass, an alum hull can hit the same speeds with much less power while consuming much less gas.

they do make some larger hulled alum boats with those same big motors. and they've got middle sized boats too, not impossible to have a big block in a boat that is barely over 20' long.



my boat is a 16 alum hull. 60 hp gets my going 40 mph, could go faster if i changed the prop and ditched the passengers and their fishing gear.

and a 6 gallon tank will last me longer then your 30 or so gallon tank lasts you. i go out 2 or 3 times for every time i get gas. i burn more gas in the truck getting to the lake, and thats just a 15 mile drive......
zeigler
2016-11-09 06:09:01 UTC
454 Crusader Marine Engine
Shaun H-A
2011-11-23 15:17:59 UTC
Install Mr Gasket 3404 carb spacer kits.

Use a premium 10W30 oil such as Royal Purple or Amsoil. These oil alone will free up ALOT of fuel economy and power.



I would think about metering rods. Those carbs have 70/47 rods. The 47 is REALLY rich for a stock cam engine. Take a look at the base ring on the spark plugs. I bet they're really dark and chalky. That said, there is not only fuel economy to be gained there, but also power.

You should put some of my custom built QuadrJet carburetors on, as they're superior at fuel vaporization to the Edelbrocks. I blue print them, btw. Airflow into an engine is utterly useless if it does not have vaporized fuel. Liquid fuel does not burn and air does not burn without fuel vapor.



We make the cams for Mercruiser 454 Magnums, 575HP replacement, and their reigning world record holding off shore Big Block packages. We also went 550 continuous hours at wide open throttle at one of the 454 Dock tests where they tested cams and decided to terminate the test after that much time with ours.



I have a camshaft upgrade for you which will also gain mileage and idle perfectly. Unless you start using bigger needle and seats as well as 1/2" fuel lines with bigger fuel pumps, this will be a big problem for you, as the engines will hit a wall at about 3,000 RPM. I will give you a money back guarantee on cams.



You are not going to see any advantages with a different ignition, as yours is plenty hot.



Email: camshaftshaun@gmail.com
anonymous
2016-02-27 00:38:06 UTC
It should fit right in there. It's not a hard job to do really. I want to know do you know anyone with a 1985 Cheverlot Monte Carlo SS. I've been looking for one going on for 4 months. Do you think a 454 engine will fit in a Monte Carlo SS? The reason I want it because I want to put a 454 engine in a Monte Carlo SS. Isn't that funny. The both of us have a 454 and want to put it in a cheverlot.
45 auto
2011-11-25 07:21:28 UTC
The best increase is the air breather if U can get the 3" brass rather than the 2" it will run better. There not much U can do to increase gas mileage. Go slower.1 mile per gallon is what they get. Blat the Gov to drill now and the price of gas will drop.
mobile mike
2011-11-23 04:48:18 UTC
Go to a high performance flame arrestor. Summit racing has one that is 8" in diameter and 5" tall for $88.


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